Sunday, October 11, 2009

I have a question for Christians

I have an honest question for Christians. Do you believe that there is only one God?

Then why do the Ten Commandments say:

"Do not have any other gods before me.

You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me,

" - Exodus, 20
:3-5

Why are those commandments at the top of the list if there is only one God? If there truly was only one God, wouldn't the Commandment simply say "You must believe in me"? Why is the God of the Bible so "jealous" of other gods if they don't exist? Does he have competitors?

Further, the Bible mentions MANY other gods by name. Take a look at this list, compiled by Norbert Sykes:

The Gods of The Bible

By Norbert Sykes
Let's look at some of the Gods mentioned in the Bible:
 Anammelech      II Kings 17:31   Sepharvite God.
Ashima II Kings 17:30 Samaritan Moon Goddess.
Ashtoreth I Kings 11:05 Canaanite Goddess.
Baal I Kings 18:19 Canaanite God ("Lord") of
fertility, vegitation, and storms.
Baal-berith Judges 8:33 A regional variation/aspect of Baal.
Baal-peor Numbers 25:03 Moabite regional variation/aspect of
Baal.
Baal-zebub Luke 11:19 Philistine/Ekronian regional
variation/aspect of Baal.
Baalim I Kings 18:18 Canaanite Gods ("Lords"), a
collective of the different
aspects of Baa.
Bel Isiah 46:01 Assyrian/Babylonian/Sumerian God
("Lord").
Chemosh I Kings 11:07 Moabite war God.
Dagon I Samuel 05:02 Philistine/Ekronian/Babylonian God
of agriculture.
Diana of the
Ephesians Acts 19:35 Ephesian moon and nature Goddess,
("Divine/Brilliant").
Jehovah Exodus 6:03 Hebrew God
Jupiter Acts 14:12 Roman God (possibly derived from
'Zeus-pater', Father Zeus).
Lucifer Isiah 14:12 ("Light-Bearer")
Mercurius Acts 14:12 Otherwise known as the Roman God
Mercury, God of communication and
travel, and messenger of the
Gods...which is probably why Paul
was called this at Lystra.
Milcom I Kings 11:05 Ammonite God
Molech I Kings 11:07 Ammonite God, also called Moloch,
most probably Baal-Hammon of
Carthage.
Nebo Isiah 46:01 Assyrian/Babylonian/Chaldean God of
wisdom and writing, also called
Nabu.
Nergal II Kings 17:30 Cuth/Assyrian/Babylonian war and
underworld God, also called
Meshlamthea.
Nibhaz II Kings 17:31 Avites God
Nisroch II Kings 19:37 Assyrian God
Rimmon II Kings 05:18 Babylonian/Syrian storm God
involved (as Ramman) with the
Deluge, according to Hebrew texts;
also known as Ramman/Rammon.
Succoth-benoth II Kings 17:30 Babylonian fertility Goddess ("She
Who Produces Seed"), also known as
Zarpanitu/Zerpanitum.
Tammuz Ezekial 8:14 Assyrian/Babylonian God
Tartak II Kings 17:31 Avites God


Please note that I'm not referring to any Deities not mentioned by name (for instance, the golden calf is not here). only alluded to, or ones I was just too tired to look up. };) I believe this gives us enough to work with. As you can see, it cleanly refutes your argument that Jehovah/Yahweh was the only God. That it does so in the 'supposed' word of God is a bonus.
- Norbert Sykes http://www.holysmoke.org/hs00/bible2.htm

So, again the question, why are all these Gods mentionned if they don't exist?

8 comments:

  1. Wahsup Lordship

    Hey I'm one of those Christians so I'll take a stab at this. There are many places in the Bible that refer to other Gods. But they aren't given any more power than you or me. This one verse seems to sum it all up best.

    Deuteronomy 4:28 "And there you will serve gods, the work of man's hands, wood and stone, which neither see nor hear nor eat nor smell."

    Well actually you and me have more power than these gods. We can at least eat and stuff.

    I'll be back. Dueces, feeno

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    1. Ok, I agree that this specific passage refers to man-made idols. But what do you make of this:

      "God has taken His place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods He holds judgement"
      -Psalms 82:1

      Doesn't that say that he is one among many others?

      And this:

      "And God said, `Let us make man in our likeness and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea....' And God created man in his own image in the image of God created he him, male and female he created them." -Genesis 1:26-27

      Why the plural?

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  2. W'sup lordship

    The one in Genesis is easy. He's refering to the Trinity. The other one when "gods" are mentioned he is talking about rulers and judges of that day. Here's what my NASB says(North American Standard Bible)Psm. 82:1 "God takes his stand in the congregation; He judges in the midst of the rulers.

    Some say the word gods here translates to mighty ones.

    Shalom, feeno

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  3. También se puede tomar, según su origen como "asamblea divina" donde muchas naciones consideraban dioses a los "hijos de Dios" que también son los mimos ángeles caídos y que han oído la voz misma de Dios, los mismos que se mencionan en Genesis 6:1-2; pero igual se muestra la supremacía de Jehová (YHWH) Dios de Israel sobre ellos, porque ellos son quienes acuden, y es HYWH quien se levanta (Preside o dirige)en esta reunión (Estos ángeles se han atribuido poderes que no les corresponde al dejar que la humanidad los adore) al igual si fueran gobernantes o poderosos. Pero en este mismo Salmo en el versículo 6 dice "Yo dije - ustedes son dioses (en minúscula) y todos ustedes hijos del Altísimo (HYWH); pero como hombres moriréis, y como cualquiera de los príncipes caeréis-". Siempre que la biblia se refiere a otros dioses es porque el pueblo estaba en mentira y error creyendo lo que los pueblos paganos creian, pero ninguno prospero delante de Jehová ya que al final solo eran falsos, ídolos, o demonios rebeldes. Igual el texto que usted cita del salmo, el Señor Jesús lo explica en San Juan 10:34 indicando que se les dijo "dioses" a aquellos a quienes vino la palabra de Dios (Jehová, YHWH.
    Igual como sea, ningún argumento lo traerá a la creencia en nuestro Señor y Dios, ya que si el corazón mismo está cerrado, Dios no lo abre a la fuerza, y al contrario encontrará más argumentos para no creer(La Biblia, que es la Palabra d Dios, es de 2ble filo, y vine a ser piedra de caída y fuente de locura para quienes la toman a la ligera o como propio argumento para atacar a Dios, así como lo hizo Satanás al tentar a Jesús) pero ese será su peso en el día de Juicio. Igual Dios lo ama, y como no le gusta que nosotros (Refiriéndome a mí y quienes si creemos) entremos en discusiones banas que no traen construcción, dejo así, deseándole bendiciones, e invitándolo a que por un momento por fe y no por lógica abra su corazón, y pueda llegar a ver la realidad y el poder de Dios.

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  4. Because people set them up. Pretty self explanatory.

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    1. "because people set them up"
      - isn't that the case with any god? Isn't any god made up by people? Aren't all gods imaginary? Aren't gods the product of fables, myths, legends, fairytales? Zeus, Yaweh, Allah, Vishnu, Taranis, Osiris, Horus, Jesus, Freja, aren't they all literary inventions, stories? If you believe that Jesus turned water into wine, won't you believe that Sekhmet tried to exterminate mankind and was stopped when Ra turned the water of the Nile into beer, thus rendering Sekhmet so drunk that she had to stop her slaughter? It's all myths.

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  5. I agree mostly with the last two comments. So here's question I'd like to throw out there. Can you just believe in all of it? Be inclusive of everything because you want to convince yourself there's some kind of higher power, so that just in case the crazies were right when you die, you're covered, and you're invited to the big party whether that be the different layers of heaven talked about in Mormonism or all those virgins, etc. that Allah supposedly provides in the Muslim line of thought? Rather than going to the other end of the spectrum and deciding that when you die you're just worm food? Looking at mortality looming in the distance, giving up on holding any thread of these imaginary gods and their fables kind of seems scary. I'm sure once you do it you feel fine, kind of like pulling out a tooth, but it's a big deal to take that step. I don't claim to be any kind of authority or to really know what I'm talking about so any thoughts or advice is welcome.

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    1. Polytheists and pagans believe that most gods are real. Hinduism for instance teaches that every single soul is a god. So if there are 7 billion people on Earth, that means there are 7 billion gods. Many Hindus believe in the story of Jesus, they just don't believe that God is the only god.

      I used to be a Catholic child. Later in life, when I was a nerdy superstitious teenager, I kind of tried to believe in all of it at once, all the gods and myths (I was big fan of Dungeons & Dragons and the Lord of the Rings at the time). Eventually, this easy-going syncretic polytheist worldview led me to take all religion with a grain of salt, and I slowly became an agnostic with no well-defined beliefs, but with a lot of open-ended questions.

      In recent years however, I sort of migrated to a point of view more in line with atheism rather than agnosticism. I realized that it's ok to leave some questions unanswered and live in the here-and-now. Yes, I worry about my mortality a little bit, but I know there is nothing anybody can do about it so I accept it. For now, Carpe Diem!

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